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LevelLord00 
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What is the foundation of society?
What do you think all societies are founded on?

* Competiton between everyone,

* Social conventions (Manners, laws)

* Knowledge,

* Our desire to group together,

* Our mutual needs.

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KeenRush 
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Re: What is the foundation of society?
It has been all just a big mistake. :) Ok, kidding, dunno, but probably I wouldn't say every society is because of a same reason.

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Edited by: KeenRush  at: 4/9/04 11:00 am
JosephBurke
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Garg dew, taste like a pile of glue. Eggs. ;)
Differences and opinions, because people want to feel important so they make institutions where they can voice these in an overly self-obsessed elating way. My kid was killed so I need five more pointless laws, whereas one could have stuffiest for much more. I can't stand vagrancy these idiots are ruining or country, when cities and industries destroy the world we complain about a few dulls who don't harm anyone. Schools are out of order and nothing makes sense -- wait, they just beat my kid, that's so wrong! Etc. because common sense says we should just accept some faults and try to simplify things, since complexity never helped anyone.

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Rants are fun.
There are probably a lot of bases that societies can be bulit around, and I don't care to delve into a quest for one common underlying foundation. My best guess: differentiation between good and evil. That and dishonesty, to ourselves and others.

I've lost track of what this one was based around. Everyday it makes less sense. I see no reason to perpetuate the economy if it's only going to destroy itself (and is already doing so), yet that's exactly what I'm told to do everyday--get a job, make money, don't ask questions.:stunned

Social conventions (Manners, laws) have to be one of the flimsies concepts for a society, but that's what seems to stand out most, IMHO, within the Western world--a rigid structure of laws built to filter the vast potentials of the human experience into one very narrow stream of conformity, yet never addressing the underlying issues the perpetuate the outward problems the laws address.

Although, I suppose that looking back on the past 1,000 years, we realise that our current society was really based on knowledge... after the Church was brought into question, we needed to find answers to our everyday plight. In the time it took those answers to finally emerge into public awareness, we sought to find a way of life that could guarantee our security, and gave up many freedoms in exchange. Ultimately, we've brought ourselves down to the level of animals, which we ironically hold in contempt.

Well, security is one thing that I don't much care for anymore. I know that I could easily drop this entire lifestyle if I wanted to, and disappear into the wilderness. But so far I haven't found that to be the answer. I'm still convinced the best of both worlds can be combined. Currently I'm searching for ways to do this.

Anyway, enough of my anti-Western drivel.:mortlol I'm sure we'll find a solution (or awaken to the many already staring us in the face) one of these days. Otherwise, it'll be interesting to face the challenges of a fast eroding world. At least I won't be expected to get a job.:x

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Re: Rants are fun.
The search for truth :stoned

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Re: Rants are fun.
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The search for truth


And did you/we find it?

The founding is because of humans are a group specie, that's just the basic, plain and simple.

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Re: Rants are fun.
Well..that's more of what it should be, rather than what any society is. So, I doubt it.

Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin
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Re: Rants are fun.
Money, of course.

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KeenRush 
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What is rant??
^ Well, was there money before these? ;)

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Re: What is rant??
Money? Money can't buy soc----- oh I give up. :eek

> Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!

JosephBurke
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To be the purple, ah dream of dreams and yet a nightmare.
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Spleen: I know that I could easily drop this entire lifestyle if I wanted to, and disappear into the wilderness.
The philosopher Epictetus once said,

The other day I had an iron lamp placed beside my household gods. I heard a noise at the door and on hastening down found my lamp carried off. I reflected that the culprit was in no very strange case. "Tomorrow, my friend," I said, "you will find an earthenware lamp; for a man an only lose what he has."

not a bad saying since we could all just survive by eating bugs. Lol.

There's other sayings of his like this one, that I like,

Is there smoke in the room? If it be slight, I remain; if grievous, I quit it. For you must remember this and hold it fast, that the door stands open.

"You shall not dwell at Nicopolis!"

Well and good.

"Nor at Athens."

Then I will not dwell at Athens either.

"Nor at Rome."

Nor at Rome either.

"You shall dwell in Gyara!"

Well: but to dwell in Gyara seems to me like a grievous smoke; I depart to a place where none can forbid me to dwell: that habitation is open unto all! As for the last garment of all, that is the poor body; beyond that, none can do aught unto me. This why Demetrius said to Nero:
"You threaten me with death; it is Nature who threatens you!"


www.gurdjieff-internet.com/ebooks/greece/epictetus/thegoldensayings.html

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Re: To be the purple, ah dream of dreams and yet a nightmare
Family, religion, friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business. You don't want to waste your time in a maternal hospital, or sit in a phoney baloney church... or synagogue!

That's the wisest saying that i've heard throughout the week... ;)

> Hello Kiddies! I'm Silly the Ghost!

Edited by: 0 UNFLEEXABLE 0  at: 4/10/04 10:53 pm
JosephBurke
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The truth could Burn.
Good quote, I found it in complete on the Internet.

"Ill keep it short and sweet. Family, religion, friendship: these are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business. When opportunity knocks, you don't want to be driving to the maternity hospital or sitting in some phoney baloney church or synagogue. Questions?"
Montgomery Burns

LevelLord00 
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Re: The truth could Burn.
UNFLEEX KeenRush and Djaser, these are the three friends you must slay if you wish to succeed in business. You don't want to waste your time in a forum or a phoney website...or in holand!!


Quote:
You don't want to waste your time in a maternal hospital, or sit in a phoney baloney church... or synegog!


You am english honour student, you am spelling synagouge rite!

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Spleen: I know that I could easily drop this entire lifestyle if I wanted to, and disappear into the wilderness.


You could, but do you want to? How long will you live?

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Money? Money can't buy soc----- oh I give up.


Yes! secure your supply today! Money your key to buying anything! (Please note due to new regulations, money can no longer buy love. Happiness still avalible, but supplies are limited.)

Quote:
The search for truth.


When I was out in the desert I saw a woman, ragged and starving. Who are you and why do you live in such hardship I asked. I am truth she replied, and the likes of men have banished me from their sight.

Men sometimes stuble across truth, but often they pick themselves up and walk away.

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There are probably a lot of bases that societies can be bulit around


Why can there not be one reason? One reason gives birth to electricity magnets and the aurora bordealis, one God to Islam Judisim and Christianity, so why not one reason for society?

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KeenRush 
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Phoney website? :O
"I know that I could easily drop this entire lifestyle if I wanted to, and disappear into the wilderness."

Hmmm.. That's pretty interesting thought. Well, I probably couldn't do it. First of all, I'm too scared to do that, second, I don't want to do that (Keen's + some other stuff is the most important reason). It would be very difficult to survive out there as well, and it wouldn't be good to go and spend some months somewhere, and if you for some reason come back you'll notice you've been kicked out the school, everyone thinks you're a ghost because the newspaper said you've been lost and dead somewhere etc..

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Re: Phoney website? :O
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UNFLEEX KeenRush and Djaser, these are the three friends you must slay if you wish to succeed in business. You don't want to waste your time in a forum or a phoney website...or in holand!!


speak for yourself...

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You am english honour student, you am spelling synagouge rite!


That's okay. We're none of us perfect.

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Religion, regrettably.

JosephBurke
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leap to their faith
Religion is nothing more than philosophy, it is an individual's understanding turned into some kind of faith. Who cares if a little bit of god and creation are often thrown in, the base still exists regardless. Therefore we are all religious, just, sometimes we are not people who have chosen to believe in one of the established religions.

LevelLord00 
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Re: leap to their faith
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Religion, regrettably.


Indeed, it can be proven that all logic systems core foundations are unprovable.

i.e 1 + 1 = 2 Prove it. (Noting that you can't use any other numbers, addition or subtraction in doing so.)

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KeenRush 
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1000!
Ah, finally a good post.. Yes, you're right, those things can't be proven right. (I think.)

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Re: 1000!
Find an empty table. Take a stone, put it on the table. Take another stone, put it on the table. How many stones are on the table?

Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin
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KeenRush 
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Re: 1000!
Well, how it's possible to count anything and to be sure there is some amount of something (in case there even is)?

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Re: 1000!
Religion is not the basis of society. If religion were the basis of society, then why is there so much controversial topics over religion in this country? Why is there anti-semetism, or any other religion hatred? Obviously, our culture exists for another reason. I would say that our society exists because of our need for each other. Like for instance, we need both garbage men and CEO's of corporations to exist, but obviously the CEO gets more money and recognition. We rank ourselves by class, which is ranked by money. We need eachother to eachother. Our goal in society is to make more money to gain a higher class. Look at the average family, the dad AND the mom work, so they send thier kid to a day care and propably will never get to know him/her. Why would they do this? Well, they do it to gain class, and why do they want to gain class? I think that every human being wants to be respected and liked. We join together to create society because we all know we are dependent on other poeple, and the society is based on class.

LevelLord00 
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Re: 1000!
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Find an empty table. Take a stone, put it on the table. Take another stone, put it on the table. How many stones are on the table?


2 :crazy

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Re: 1000!
It's called counting KeenRush.

Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin
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LevelLord00 
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Re: 1000!
Counting KeenRush? But there's only one of him. :confused [not counting my undead robot army who will soon enslave you all.]

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Re: 1000!
I'll ignore that comment and pretend I put in a comma. :x

Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles. -- Calvin
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